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01:42, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

New Wikia skin Edit

I tried to add this to the talk of the main page, but I can't edit that even though I'm a registered and logged in user. So I'll put my comment here:

I am sorry, but I really don't like the skin. Of course this is just my personal opinion, and I know I have the possibility to override the layout with my own CSS code. My main problems are the background image, and displaying HTML elements as tags.

  • Background images are supposed to soothe the eyes and help focus on the content, while the one here is confusing and distracting. I have been trying for some time to understand if it is representing something (text? a map? a diagram?) or if it is just abstract. Sometimes it seems like the pattern is actually moving while I am focusing on reading a page. It also makes the top and bottom "toolbars" almost unreadable. Also, the GeSHi styles are not modified for use on a dark background, making lots of the code examples very hard to read.
  • There is a difference between an HTML element and an HTML tag. In HTML source code an element is constructed by a tag (with possibly an end-tag), while for example in CSS and Javascript an element is represented simply by it's name. I understand that some of the HTML elements have such short names that it gets difficult to distinguish them in the page text, but showing them as tags is not the right solution. Talking about "the <a></a> element" is simply wrong. It's "the a element" or "The <a></a> start- and end-tag combination"

Pbb72 12:47, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Griffin drops in occasionally but for now I'm the admin on duty. The main talk page was blocking "new and unregistered users"; I've removed the restriction. Sorry about that!
I agree about the design. In all honesty it is better than it started out. I don't design well so I've been leaving Griffin to it; if you want to make a stylesheet for your account, we can go through consensus to choose whether to apply it.
The tag thing was partly my doing; as I recall it was "the <div> element" and I wanted to clarify which combination of tags actually produced an element (this has been one of my soapboxes from the start). But you are right; it's an oversimplification, and either of your two formulations would be better. I have some content somewhere around here about the differences; I'll try to get some links put on your talk page so we can improve it. (You're the only other person who's noticed this issue as far as I know. :( ...) --Jesdisciple (talk) 16:11, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Ya, sorry about the background image. I just used it cause I made it and it looks cool :P I've already darkened the background image and made it less distracting than it was before (believe me, the old one was too bright), and I've also reduced the opacity of the page content background. I'll make the pages less transparent, but I think I'm going to leave the background image as-is, since I don't have any other ideas right now. If you'd like to suggest something, feel free to do so. I only come back occasionally cause recently I've been really busy with school and my other hobbies, such as YouTube, and my interest in this wiki has decreased a bit since I last actively edited it (like 3 or 4 months ago, me all alone [:(]).
I am only good at using HTML and CSS, not on the descriptions of elements and tags; in my mind elements are the groups of start and end tags and a tag is just one of the two. So I had no idea whether it was correct so I know Jesdisciple understands this topic more in depth so I let him do it. So yeah, sorry about that.
00:30, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry. Like I said, design is very personal, and I've seen several messages here and there that really like the design. (That may of course be because the one before that was worse ;-) .) I am very much like you Griffing, I start full of enthusiasm on a project, and after a few months I loose interest, or I feel I've done my job and there is not really anything else I can contribute. But that is the beauty of a wiki; when enough people each spend a few months contributing, then the end result can still be huge... I am also very much like you in that I am not good in writing blocks of text, just plain data. These are the things I have been thinking of contributing:

  • Extensive information on useragent (aka browsers) support, including mobile browsers and things that are not browsers at all (like emails clients and screen readers).
  • Information on different rendering of elements in different useragents.
  • Content and context models (what tags are allowed to contain what other tags).
  • Adding tags from HTML-related markup languages (cHTML, HDML, WML, etc).
  • Adding exotic HTML tags like rtc (XHTML), note (HTML 3.0), hspec (first HTML Tables draft), blackface (WebTV).
  • Historical information per tag (from when was it supported, when was support dropped, when were certain attributes added, etc).

The first (and to some extend, the second) I need regularly for my own work, and I think far too little organized information about it is available on the web. The others are far more "nerdy", but I think that makes the work all the more enjoyable.

I started playing with HTML around 20 years ago (not kidding, and that makes me a very old geezer, doesn't it?) and I have an above average knowledge of MediaWiki (I manage to read and write templates etc). For an idea of the information I would like to add, you can check my old (no longer maintained) site I like to play with graphic design, I don't think you can consider me an expert there, but I will make my own stylesheet for the site and present it to you when I'm happy with it.

Looking at my own list of wishes, I think I can be happy if I manage 10% of it ;)

Pbb72 13:27, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

I've been thinking for some time that this will probably outgrow its "htmlcss" subdomain; I already integrated DOM-related content, and XML Schema/DTD would also make sense in my opinion; then the floodgates are open for every other flavor of XML - maybe even flavors written by contributors.
But what you listed are even more relevant than that stuff. You might want to see Project:Resources (Warning: Very large page!) for the browser references I've compiled. One thing I've been trying to decide related to this is how much content we should put on the dead wiki w:c:browsers and its more specific counterparts (w:c:mozilla/w:c:firefox, w:c:google/w:c:chrome, w:c:apple/w:c:safari, w:c:opera). (Instant wiki creation is not sane design, Wikia!!!) I'm thinking we should just keep it here for now but put it in categories so we can easily export to those later.
By the way, yes that does give you seniority. ;) You've been using HTML almost as long as I've been alive (there's a frame of reference on me). As I'm trying to emphasize the history behind it so people will understand why The Right Thing is right, that may be a niche for you here. --Jesdisciple (talk) 15:07, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

I've only been working with HTML and CSS for like a year, so I guess I know more than what people my age (with the same experience) would know. :P I don't think I can contribute anymore to this wiki apart from helping out with little tasks here and there, but who know? Maybe something will come up later on.

By the way, there is a French version of the wiki ( ), I made it months ago, and have stopped editing it, so it's pretty outdated. Just a note; I almost forgot about it. :P

So yeah, good luck guys, and thanks for the effort you're putting into it.
02:14, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
I believe that people who are learning about Web development are the ones we need the most of, although of course I'm happy with anyone who wanders in. We need questions! What's hard to understand in what we've authored? What's missing from our explanations? What do you need to get your project done, that you can't find here? (Maybe it's here, we just didn't link to it enough.) What's the most immediately solvable problem that's keeping this from being the best HTML/CSS/DOM reference out there? --Jesdisciple (talk) 17:40, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Black Ops Edit

Did you get the midnight release of Black Ops yesterday at midnight? kristof1124TALKAdminThe Alternet World 22:40, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

No, but I might get it for the DS over the weekend (cause I don't have a PS3 or XBox).
23:58, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

I see. I don't either (I have a Wii). My friend pre-ordered it and got it yesterday. I want to go play it at his house. I hear it's awesome! kristof1124TALKAdminThe Alternet World 00:03, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't have a DS. Right now I mainly want a PS3. kristof1124TALKAdminThe Alternet World 02:06, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Facebook Edit

I confermed you as a friend on facebook. Wow I'm your only friend there! kristof1124TALKAdminThe Alternet World 02:13, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Move Edit

What do you think of everyone one MLN WIki wanting to move? I think it's really dumb. kristof1124TALKAdminThe Alternet World 02:18, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Spotlight Request #2 Edit

Hi. Great job strengthening your content! I have added your wiki to the approved spotlight list. I can't guarantee that they will use the words or image you supplied but will pass them along. -- Wendy (talk)@Wikia 02:33, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! That won't be a problem. I'm just happy the wiki made the spotlight!
03:27, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Two QuestionsEdit

I am the admin for Ghostbusters Wiki and am wanting to make the background the the content/body of the wiki a image background (hopfully in a way to tile it) and I saw on your wikia.css a way to change the admins names color. I can't figure the second one out, and the first one I suspect is why you are warning to not copy the script (lots of work on those fades and things all over the script. Devilmanozzy (Talk Page) 11:51, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

A question Edit

Hey there love the YT channel though is there any other type of program I could use to make the music on a comp. because I use Windows 7 and not mac :P Also love this wiki too -- Roddy15 The Senna Of F1 Games 15:57, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Syntax Highlighting Edit

Greetings, SSgtGriffin.

The skin you created for this wiki is quite interesting and has been partially inspirative for some elements of my own wiki's skin, although one thing that I'm interested in using but couldn't really find any clues as to how you created it is the Syntax Highlighting all around the wiki, but especially on pages like MediaWiki:Wikia.css.

It would be useful if you could tell me how you implemented that function, as it would be great to have that function on CSS based pages, possible even while editing a CSS page.

(Crynsos Talk 09:05, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

My home wiki is here, although I actually expected this to be some JS / CSS function, not an extension's functionality. I don't need syntax highlighting that badly anyways, but just thought it might be useful if its not too hard to implement myself.
(Crynsos Talk 18:14, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I simply never had any interest in additional extensions and thus haven't had much of an idea how much (or few) trouble its for the wikia staff to enable additional ones. Since the SyntaxHighlight extension can be quite useful and would actually only appear at the code based pages on most wikis anyways, it should be probably enabled by default IMO.
Anyways, as last two questions before I send that message to Wikia, is there any way to customize the text colors, which the extension will use (or what other text colors are they based off anyways?) and do I have to mention exactly for which language(s) Wikia should enable the syntax highlighting?
(Crynsos Talk 15:02, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
Ah yes, knowing about the Geshi.css page is just the remaining puzzle piece I required to understand how to properly use that extension. As it seems that the extension automatically actively supports all languages it it capable of understanding by default, there probably shouldn't be much of a problem as visible code most likely won't ever appear anywhere aside from the MediaWiki pages anyways.
Thanks for the information about that function.
Now to send the Wikia staff guys a message to activate it for me...
(Crynsos Talk 09:08, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

congrats! Edit

congrats at getting rank 10 in mln! but i thought you said you were done with -jsslvR 15:52, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Edit

Hey SSgtGriffin. Haven't talked to you in a while (though I see you've been busy with Youtube). Congrats on rank 10 in MLN (though i myself don't play anymore). Sorry I haven't been on in a while. I've been busy with school, Facebook and life. I probably won't be on Wikia much anymore, though i wouldn't mind staying in touch in Facebook. Just stopped my to say hi. kristof1124TALKAdminThe Alternet World 22:37, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

HTML/CSS wiki very difficult to read Edit

I wanted to let you know that this wiki's theme makes it very difficult to read anything. I would highly recommend choosing a different theme, or at least make the content background less transparent, or the page background image less distracting. The white text on a background image with light gray/white lines makes the text hard to distinguish from the background.

The print stylesheet is slightly easier to read, but only in the upper left corner. The entire page fades to white as you go to the right or downward, and the white text therefore gradually becomes completely invisible.

I would like to know where to find the various stylesheets for the wiki, however. I am an admin on the Vim wiki and want to update the print stylesheet to make it more usable.

--Fritzophrenic 16:41, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that is weird. I don't see any record of changes on Special:RecentChanges, but it looks a lot better now. Same browser (IE8), same computer even, over a remote desktop this time. I will take a screenshot if I see it again. Even the print view has had the gradient removed so that it is now readable. Did something change that just isn't listed?
--Fritzophrenic 21:38, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, strange, but I will change the background image cause I've been wanting to for some time but have been too busy elsewhere to do it.
00:06, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
I determined that the background looked better over the remote desktop, because the remote desktop app used by my company defaults to 16-bit color whereas my desktop uses 32-bit color. --Fritzophrenic 16:49, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, but is the readability better now, as I've changed the background image to a less distracting one?
23:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry =( Edit

My experiments with balancing my activities are somewhat successful, although I'm not ending up balancing all the correct activities. I feel partially responsible for the edit rate declining here, so I wonder what specific things I can do to help revive it? I'll get started on improving the tutorial for now. --Jesdisciple (talk) 10:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, come back when you can please. I don't do well building wiki-communities; keeping people interested doesn't come natural to me, and I end up lonely and frustrated, and stop editing except to greet passers-by. --Jesdisciple (talk) 04:21, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Category:Code Edit

I'm wanting to clean out this category... I don't like using Wikipedia content, and we certainly don't need it for C++. WYSIWYG could be redirected to visual editing, and I'm sure there are other legitimate pages. Thoughts? --Jesdisciple (talk) 19:48, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

23:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


Hey bud , can I know what theme u use for this site ? I love it ! Please tell me ! User:Roranoa zoro

3DS Edit

i know this really doesn't have to do with the wiki in'all but i remembered that you had a 3ds pitcure that changed the color of the 3DS i wondered if you got one.....i did and was wondering if we could exchange friend codes.... -jsslvR 19:12, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

oh....and do you have pokemon black or white???? i do...... jsslvR 22:36, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I'm sticking with the DS Lite. If you wanna talk to me some more I suggest you head over to my YouTube channel cause I'm gonna stop checking this. I have Pokemon Black.
01:59, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if you are still active here? If you are is there anything I can do to help? Cya around! :) Nxtstep101 (Talk)

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